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Brandon Smith's avatar

This is such a well-written, well-wrestled piece. As usual, I will be restacking this with more of my thoughts shortly. But I am curious to know your thoughts on two points:

1) While loss is clearly inaccessible by the gods and exclusively available to Man, what would you imagine to be the substance of Man's affirmation to what is ultimately unavoidable for him? While Man can lose, truly and completely, in what fashion could he demonstrate any meaningful affirmation of that vulnerability? Would it simply be the refusal to succumb to hopelessness and take ones own life? That seems almost too meager an affirmation to my mind (but then, from personal experience, I believe this is actually quite a lot more meaningful and agentic than it might seem on the surface). It reminds me of Camus' insistence that we must imagine Sisyphus' happiness, that we must forge our own value and meaning. And while I admire the strength it takes to perform this imaginative/creative task, it also seems as though it could only be half-heartedly applauded because we have no choice but to make the best of our absurd condition. Is that achievement enough? Or does it place us simply on the opposite pole from our immutable, detached deities? They cannot lose, but we cannot win. Neither of us wholly admirable because neither of us are free from the confines of our nature. (I am beginning to think that the answer to all of this is "love", but I'm interested to hear your perspective.) Does that make sense? I promise I'm not high.

2) Assuming that a god worth loving is a god that stands to lose it all, I find myself coming up against the age-old theodicy, in a form anyway. In this context, I wonder if a god that can truly lose it all might actually be a sadistic gambler? While we, as humanity, could love this god for its vulnerability (and therefore its capacity for real relationship), there would be a dark cloud trailing this conclusion because it would simultaneously mean that this god brought innumerable creations into existence to inevitably suffer, and potentially without any means of relief or redemption. So, in that sense, would that totally vulnerable god be worth our love or would that god instead be worthy of our spite, stained as he would be with our sweat and our blood and our tears which he precariously balances in the cup of his fallible hands?

These aren't necessarily questions I have answers I feel very committed to holding at the moment, which is why I'm hoping your perspectives might provide more food for thought. As usual, a really incredible piece, Barnes. You never fail to capture my imagination.

Mark Anders PhD's avatar

What stays with me is how the whole thing holds together, body and endnotes as one mind thinking. You build the argument up top and then run a conscience underneath it, citing your sources, marking exactly where you can be defeated, planting the ichor turn you choose not to use. So rare to see such rigor that can cause wonder in the reader. Masterful scholarship Barnes.

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